Fri, 11/14; I received a notice transmitted to my HR20 DVR that it was updated to 1080p output. When I selected the 1080p as one of the output selections I could use, it went through a evaluation & stated that my Panasonic TH-50P does not support 1080p, which it does. Has anyone had any experience of 1080p from this update?
DirectTV updated DVR to 1080p output
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Is your DirecTV receiver connected through a switch or A/V receiver? If so, one of those may not be capable of 1080p pass-through.
To help you further:
- Please include your full model number so that we can verify the capabilities of your set
- Please ensure that your DirecTV receiver is connected to your HDTV via HDMI
Knowing the above may yield a better answer.
Thanks,
- Shane
To help you further:
- Please include your full model number so that we can verify the capabilities of your set
- Please ensure that your DirecTV receiver is connected to your HDTV via HDMI
Knowing the above may yield a better answer.
Thanks,
- Shane
The exact note with-in the HDTV/Resolutions menu set up when selecting the 1080p was "Sorry, this TV does not support DirctTV's 1080P broadcast". I have learned that DirectTV's 1080p broadcast is 24fps, I have not confirmed with DirectTV. I have a Panasonic TH-50PZ77U Plasma TV, a lrg. dia. high quality HDMI cable with before passing through a Onkyo TX-SR705 Receiver, from the DirectTV HR20. The limited research I've completed shows that 1080P/24fps processing is mostly in "high line" equipment. If DirectTV is broadcasting 1080P/24fps, it may be only "on demand" movies, it could block out a majority of there customers.
Are you sure you don't need to change the HR20 display setup to say that the display is 1080p capable?
I had same problem initially. I USED a Sony STR-DG720 bought in September ( I GOTTTA be more patient and read specs before I buy!) as the control center for my DirecTV HR-20, PS3, XBOX 360, and Samsung PN50A510. My tv only has two HDMI inputs, so I need the receiver. I was excited to get the updated msg from DirecTV and quickly went to their settings to use 1080p as a display. NOGO!! Like a "good" technician, I opened all kinds of menus on both my tv and receiver to verify settings for over and hour after 11pm while my wife slept. I switched HDMI cables ( one must be bad or not allowing enough bandwidth!). Finally, I eliminated the "middle man" (receiver) and YEAH!!! I am still irritated my receiver does not accept 1080p( I PROMISE to truly READ specs on potential upgrades!), but now I know my tv is NOT the problem! I hope my long winded story has some helpfullness, Matt!
Hi Guys, I have the same problem. In the family room I have a HR20, a Sony KDS-R70XBR2 TV, and a Sony STR-DA5300ES receiver. It passes 1080p when using with my PS3 and blu-ray or upgrading DVD's. In my master bedroom I also have a HR21, Sharp LC-52D92U TV, and a Sony HT-SF2000 HTIB. It also passes 1080p when used with a Sony BDP-S300 and blu-ray disc's. All are connected with HDMI cables.
Could it be that Directv is not yet broadcasting in 1080p? Or is there some other problem I am not aware of?
Dave
Could it be that Directv is not yet broadcasting in 1080p? Or is there some other problem I am not aware of?
Dave
Maybe I should clarify what YEAH!!!! means....DirecTv DVR HR20 connected DIRECTLY to tv via HDMI works immaculately set to 1080p after software upgrade. No problems. I will research my audio video receiver further; I fear it is an older model. It does give me 1080p on both video game units (WOW! Technology is truly awesome, huh????) but not the tv. It would be REAL COOL if there is a setting I have overlooked or am unaware. However, eliminating it from the equation works without a hitch!
See if the receiver has a firmware upgrade available.
The firm ware update was the 1080P output selection setting. When selected, it went into a set up mode & came back with a message that my HDTV could not process DirectTV's 1080P programming. I found that there 1080P programming is On-Demand (VOD) movies downloaded from the ethernet connection on the HR20 &21, also that their 1080P is 24fps not 60fps. I found that my HDTV can only process 1080P-60fps. Right now only "higher line" HDTV can process 1080P-24fps. I am trying to research how the veiwing is like, mostly I found people state that it is jittery.
Despite going through every imaginable menu on my HR20 which is connected via ethernet, I am unable to find out whether my unit has recieved the upgrade to output at 1080p/24. Could someone tell me how I can verify this resolution and select this setting? My system DOES support 1080p/24, as I display Blu-Ray at native resolution. Thanks!
I tried to select it the other day also, and recieved a message that my TV does not support it... Which I know is not true... So I called DirecTV... Even though the DVR may have been updated, since there are currently no programs supporting 1080P, you will not be able to select that function...
I am unable to find out whether my unit has recieved the upgrade to output at 1080p/24. Could someone tell me how I can verify this resolution and select this setting?
Here is how to find the setting. Go to Set Up menu- select: System Set Up- select:HDTV-(you will see a page selections on top, "Video/TV Ratio/TV Resolutions") Cursor up to "Video", then to right to "TV Resolutions"& select- You will see a colume of selection boxes with 480i,480p,720p,1080i,1080p(new w/update)-Cursor down & select all boxes that apply to your TV's resolution capibilities. The receiver will go into a auto-set up process, if your TV can process 1080p-24fps, 720p & 1080i lights will "lite-up". Only On Demand movies are broadcasting in 1080P-24fps, at this time, a broader roll out of programing to follow in early 2009.
Here is how to find the setting. Go to Set Up menu- select: System Set Up- select:HDTV-(you will see a page selections on top, "Video/TV Ratio/TV Resolutions") Cursor up to "Video", then to right to "TV Resolutions"& select- You will see a colume of selection boxes with 480i,480p,720p,1080i,1080p(new w/update)-Cursor down & select all boxes that apply to your TV's resolution capibilities. The receiver will go into a auto-set up process, if your TV can process 1080p-24fps, 720p & 1080i lights will "lite-up". Only On Demand movies are broadcasting in 1080P-24fps, at this time, a broader roll out of programing to follow in early 2009.
Thanks, mattdr! I don't know how this option escaped my notice when I went through the setup menus. It appears that I have been updated to 1080p without ever having been notified of the impending upgrade. I've never purchased from VOD/PPV, so I don't know the actual video/audio quality involved. So, if anyone has a suggestion of a reference quality movie download I'd be truly glad to know it. Lastly, is there a time line out there for DirecTV rolling out a regular (free) catalog of 1080p shows, or is this likely to be confined for VOD/PPV?
It has to be VOD - too much bandwidth for regular broadcast PPV over the satellite. They might put some old stuff on VOD for free but probably not any of the new stuff.
Ok Mattdr, you have confused the village idiot. The first thing I did when I came home tonight was open the menu screen and double check the settings... I noticed this time when I selected any of the resolutions, it gave me an on screen message stating. "If you can see this message your TV supports this resolution". It did that with all of the options, up until I selected 1080P... It gave me a quarter picture and most of the message was hidden... If I hit info to confirm like I did with the other options it would except it and say my TV supports the resolution... If I left it alone, like I assumed I should since I could not see the entire message... It came back saying my TV does not support that resolution... Am I missing something? Does my TV process 1080p-24fps or 60fps? Can I find that information someplace? By the way, I have a DirecTV HDDVR HR21 connected to my Panasonic TH-PZ700U via an HDMI cable... Directly... Thanks
Akirby,
I am not sure how to understand your note.
Besides the frame rate there are two other ingredients such as using MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, and the extra bit rate compression applied with either, but assuming both of these two factors are equal for both, how did you determine that 24fps HD-VOD DirecTV uses more bandwidth than a 60i (30 fps) HD DirecTV channel?
Please clarify.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
I am not sure how to understand your note.
Besides the frame rate there are two other ingredients such as using MPEG-2 or MPEG-4, and the extra bit rate compression applied with either, but assuming both of these two factors are equal for both, how did you determine that 24fps HD-VOD DirecTV uses more bandwidth than a 60i (30 fps) HD DirecTV channel?
Please clarify.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
I thought satellite was 1080i/30 which was basically the same as 540p/30. Therefore 1080p/24 would be roughly twice the bandwidth of 1080i/30. Compression being equal.
But I'm no videophile so I might be totally mistaken.
But I'm no videophile so I might be totally mistaken.
The 1080i format that is most commonly used is based on 60i fields of 540 lines per second, which is equivalent to 30 frames of 1080 lines per second (fps), which would equate to 1080x1920x30 frames in a second.
The 1080p format used for film based content is 24fps (or 25fps in Europe), which is 1080x1920x24 frames per second, which is 20% less in data than the 1080i above over the same transfer time, one second.
In other words, DirecTV (and any other content provider doing the same) should benefit with at least 20% savings in bandwidth when transmitting film-based content on it original format.
I said at least because it is known that, additionally, any progressive format gives a better opportunity to be even more efficient than the simple math above, without penalizing image quality. So there could be more savings than the 20%. I am not talking about the typical bit starvation, which we know the effects that causes to image quality, typical of satellite and cable providers.
In summary, if the same MPEG-4 is used at the same bit rate of compression, all being equal, the same movie "should" require more bandwidth on HBO at 1080i 30fps (60i) than on VOD at 1080p 24fps. The added bit starvation compression typically applied to HD channels makes any comparison less clean.
This is the same principle used for DVD and Hi-def DVD (either HD format), film content is stored as a space-saving 24fps with flags in the disc. Then 3:2 pull-down (to convert it to 60i and add the extra 12 fields, 6 frames) is applied "on-the-fly" during playback for compatibility with 1080i displays (most HDTVs out there). Sometimes the flags do not work well and the play back device should auto detect the frame cadence.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
The 1080p format used for film based content is 24fps (or 25fps in Europe), which is 1080x1920x24 frames per second, which is 20% less in data than the 1080i above over the same transfer time, one second.
In other words, DirecTV (and any other content provider doing the same) should benefit with at least 20% savings in bandwidth when transmitting film-based content on it original format.
I said at least because it is known that, additionally, any progressive format gives a better opportunity to be even more efficient than the simple math above, without penalizing image quality. So there could be more savings than the 20%. I am not talking about the typical bit starvation, which we know the effects that causes to image quality, typical of satellite and cable providers.
In summary, if the same MPEG-4 is used at the same bit rate of compression, all being equal, the same movie "should" require more bandwidth on HBO at 1080i 30fps (60i) than on VOD at 1080p 24fps. The added bit starvation compression typically applied to HD channels makes any comparison less clean.
This is the same principle used for DVD and Hi-def DVD (either HD format), film content is stored as a space-saving 24fps with flags in the disc. Then 3:2 pull-down (to convert it to 60i and add the extra 12 fields, 6 frames) is applied "on-the-fly" during playback for compatibility with 1080i displays (most HDTVs out there). Sometimes the flags do not work well and the play back device should auto detect the frame cadence.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
There is a short 2 minute trailer for The Hulk which looks good in 1080p/24, and has multi-channel audio. Search for a show title beginning with "TEST".
The first movie I tried was "Crank", but after watching it briefly, and looking at the picture frame-by-frame, it was clear that this was a very poor transfer, with stereo audio only. Maybe it wasn't a film to video transfer at all, but a 1080i/60 to 1080p/24 transfer. It was unwatchable.
The first movie I tried was "Crank", but after watching it briefly, and looking at the picture frame-by-frame, it was clear that this was a very poor transfer, with stereo audio only. Maybe it wasn't a film to video transfer at all, but a 1080i/60 to 1080p/24 transfer. It was unwatchable.
Got it. Thanks!
I just had a DirectTV HDDVR (Model HR22-100) installed today and was unable to get the 1080p resolution to select in the HDDVR menu as mentioned by several of you. I received the same "Your TV does not support 1080p" message mentioned above. I have the HDDVR connected to a Sony STR DG820 AVR (that is 1080p capable) via HDMI and an HDMI connection from the AVR to a Sony KDL 40W4100 HDTV (also 1080p capable.) I called Sony to see if there was a setting for the TV that needed to be changed after I had tried all the obvious menu changes. Sony tech said that the problem is that DTV doesn't provide a 1080p signal only 1080i. That sounds strange to me as I thought DTV broadcast 1080p! Maybe I was wrong. There isn't a clear answer on the DTV website. All the HDMI cables are new and my Sony BlueRay player works perfectly via HDMI. So, what gives? Has anyone come up with a solution? Is if a firmware issue? There must be a solution, right? HELP!
rds,
DTV broadcast is not currently sent to households as 1080p (HD is sent as 720p or 1080i), although 1080p24fps and 1080p30fps are two of the 18 formats approved for the ATSC for DTV terrestrial, which means any HDTV terrestrial tuner should be able to tune to those formats if the signal is sent that way, otherwise it will not met the DTV standard.
But you are not tuning broadcast, so you should check if your DTV can accept 1080p via HDMI from the DirecTV receiver, and that answer will not be on tuning related menus or instructions.
However, even if the DTV does accept 1080p and can also accept it as 24fps (in addition to 60fps), it does not mean that the DTV does the best job of the image processing options on the video chain, but it means that you have one more alternative other than the player or the DirecTV/cable tuner sending always 1080i60 and performing 3:2 pull-down automatically for 24fps content, for the DTV to deinterlace to 1080p 60fps.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
DTV broadcast is not currently sent to households as 1080p (HD is sent as 720p or 1080i), although 1080p24fps and 1080p30fps are two of the 18 formats approved for the ATSC for DTV terrestrial, which means any HDTV terrestrial tuner should be able to tune to those formats if the signal is sent that way, otherwise it will not met the DTV standard.
But you are not tuning broadcast, so you should check if your DTV can accept 1080p via HDMI from the DirecTV receiver, and that answer will not be on tuning related menus or instructions.
However, even if the DTV does accept 1080p and can also accept it as 24fps (in addition to 60fps), it does not mean that the DTV does the best job of the image processing options on the video chain, but it means that you have one more alternative other than the player or the DirecTV/cable tuner sending always 1080i60 and performing 3:2 pull-down automatically for 24fps content, for the DTV to deinterlace to 1080p 60fps.
Best Regards,
Rodolfo La Maestra
Rodolfo,
Thanks for the info.
Since I posted my question two things have happened: (1) DTV upgraded my new HR22 HDDVR with new 1080p firmware and left a message announcing that they would have 1080p movies at some point in the future, meaning there is no 1080p broadcast at this point in time and (2) I found in the HR22 owners manual that the the HR22 originally was set to transmit 1080i and no higher resolution. So now the question remains; When I attempt to set the HDDVR 1080p resolution will it accept the command... I'll give it a try and let you all know.
rds
Thanks for the info.
Since I posted my question two things have happened: (1) DTV upgraded my new HR22 HDDVR with new 1080p firmware and left a message announcing that they would have 1080p movies at some point in the future, meaning there is no 1080p broadcast at this point in time and (2) I found in the HR22 owners manual that the the HR22 originally was set to transmit 1080i and no higher resolution. So now the question remains; When I attempt to set the HDDVR 1080p resolution will it accept the command... I'll give it a try and let you all know.
rds
If you didn't have the firmware upgrade then you wouldn't have been able to get 1080p anyway.
DirecTV is offering 1080p movies via VOD only which requires an internet connection.
DirecTV is offering 1080p movies via VOD only which requires an internet connection.