We did it again! Yup, my very own State of California has once again been the first to ring the Stupid-Bell in an attempt to lead the Nation into yet another set of ill-advised legislations destined to cost its population jobs, cash and freedom of choice.
Undoubtedly you have read about our most recent embarrassment, the enactment into law of “Standards” that will require most flat panel televisions sold in the State to be 33% “more efficient” by 2011 and 50% more-so by 2013.
Consider for a moment...
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stevekaden
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Might as well be broken, the premise already is by the hyperbole. The world is clearly in trouble, but ohhhh pooor us, we just can't be bothered to do anything to take ourselves out of the problem. Nothing is too trival for the rightists, libertarians and Oil industry shills. It all soooo anti freedom.
Oh Please.
Like this quote: our most recent embarrassment, the enactment into law of “Standards” that will require most flat panel televisions sold in the State to be 33% “more efficient” by 2011 and 50% more-so by 2013.
Wow, as a Californian, I am just terribly embarrassed that we might be 50% more efficient in three years.
(Maybe I wouldn't be if it were 75%.)
Another quote: Recent headlines have more than half the country’s “serious” geologists still claiming there is no correlation between Co2 gas emissions and a melting iceberg.
What, from the Exxon journal of Infinite Lies? From the Cato Institute spewing of weekly ignorance? The New York Post? Or from what other corporate whore? This is an absolutely fraudulent statement that I would demand documentation of, and then research of the source. (I might agree if they were saying it was really from methane and other greenhouse gases - lets just lay the argument on humans vs. nature - which has been disproved over and over and over).
Then there is this loopy explanation of light does not come from basic energy. Huh? Try to explain that in terms of the physics please. Beyond other energy used (circuitry) , how does light not parallel energy consumed.
So this horrifyingly stupid rulling by California....well maybe not so, as the industry is already responding on top of what they already have done, to making TV's even more efficient. The last 19" one I bought had a choice of backlighting to home or store mode in the auto setup. Wow, it was just brutal to have to make that decision.
And you might as well sit down and expect a LOT more of this, as the problem is severly real. Just read a bit, look at the ice a bit. Think a bit.
Meanwhile, no one is paying much attention - or enough to truly scream about the real problem out there - a broken down banking system that is destroying our economy by refusing loans across the board and setting people up for forclosure and then refusing loan modifications. High criminal behavior if you ask me. TV efficiency is nothing more than dandilion fluff in the wind in comparison to the end of our economy.
Oh Please.
Like this quote: our most recent embarrassment, the enactment into law of “Standards” that will require most flat panel televisions sold in the State to be 33% “more efficient” by 2011 and 50% more-so by 2013.
Wow, as a Californian, I am just terribly embarrassed that we might be 50% more efficient in three years.
(Maybe I wouldn't be if it were 75%.)
Another quote: Recent headlines have more than half the country’s “serious” geologists still claiming there is no correlation between Co2 gas emissions and a melting iceberg.
What, from the Exxon journal of Infinite Lies? From the Cato Institute spewing of weekly ignorance? The New York Post? Or from what other corporate whore? This is an absolutely fraudulent statement that I would demand documentation of, and then research of the source. (I might agree if they were saying it was really from methane and other greenhouse gases - lets just lay the argument on humans vs. nature - which has been disproved over and over and over).
Then there is this loopy explanation of light does not come from basic energy. Huh? Try to explain that in terms of the physics please. Beyond other energy used (circuitry) , how does light not parallel energy consumed.
So this horrifyingly stupid rulling by California....well maybe not so, as the industry is already responding on top of what they already have done, to making TV's even more efficient. The last 19" one I bought had a choice of backlighting to home or store mode in the auto setup. Wow, it was just brutal to have to make that decision.
And you might as well sit down and expect a LOT more of this, as the problem is severly real. Just read a bit, look at the ice a bit. Think a bit.
Meanwhile, no one is paying much attention - or enough to truly scream about the real problem out there - a broken down banking system that is destroying our economy by refusing loans across the board and setting people up for forclosure and then refusing loan modifications. High criminal behavior if you ask me. TV efficiency is nothing more than dandilion fluff in the wind in comparison to the end of our economy.
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mbowman63
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Green Nonsense
Wow! That was quite a tirade...feel better? The planet is definitely warming due to CO2 - every time we exhale we add to the problem. PLEASE -EVERYONE STOP BREATHING - YOU ARE EMITTING POLLUTANTS!!!!! Unbelievable...educate yourself
http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/1 ... ution.html
http://www.populartechnology.net/2008/1 ... ution.html
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BobDiaz
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The article "Green Nonsense" hit the nail on the head. What is going to happen is that most Big Screen Gas Plasma TVs will not match the CEC requirement. Manufacturers will be forced to lower the brightness of their sets, so California TVs won't be as good as the other states. It looks like we are going to be stuck with darker sets and/or more expensive technology.
This is not unlike their push to get rid of analog power supplies and have them replaced with more expensive switching power supplies.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/papers/2005-03-03_WILSON.PDF
Yes, switching supplies consume less energy, but the difference may be too small to make up for the difference in the cost of the supply.
By the way, if one just searches "ClimateGate" on YouTube or any web search engine, you'll see that the CO2 theory of global warming is not as rock solid as they want you to believe.
This is not unlike their push to get rid of analog power supplies and have them replaced with more expensive switching power supplies.
http://www.energy.ca.gov/papers/2005-03-03_WILSON.PDF
Yes, switching supplies consume less energy, but the difference may be too small to make up for the difference in the cost of the supply.
By the way, if one just searches "ClimateGate" on YouTube or any web search engine, you'll see that the CO2 theory of global warming is not as rock solid as they want you to believe.
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HDTVfun
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Man made global warming has not been conclusively proven. It must be our CO2 emissions that is causing all the other planets in our solar system to become warmer just like Earth rather than the sun and sun spots... or just recently the lack there of creating a cooling trend...
Alfred said it best in one of his replies, this is a tempest in a tea pot. Considering the outcome I can’t help but think the authors of the bill contacted manufacturers or looked at current specs to pass a draconian sounding bill of propaganda that doesn’t require any more efficiency than what is already being provided. Wow, what an empty result. As for the 2014 requirements I think they already know manufacturers will be able to meet that based on future designs being developed now. Another empty result to make the man made global warming religion feel good.
This legislation from the socialist republic of California is nothing more than political propaganda used primarily as precedence to perpetuate the religion of man made global warming. Progressive liberals get to pat themselves on the back, and along with the media and liberal politicians, wave this legislation in everybodies face as more proof that man made global warming must be true or all these smart people would not have voted for it.
The reality is this is nothing more than a power problem caused by the negligence of the California legislature of years past. Oh, I forgot, government is good and is never the cause of the problem regardless of the fact that our founding fathers knew government royally sucked and tried real hard to create a new government that would suck as little as possible. Here we are over 200 years later celebrating how big and awesome ours has become... Good grief...
I know who John Galt is and the rest of that story which parallels what is happening on this planet and in this country to a frightening level.
My heart felt thanks to all those who showed up to counter comrade Steve on the other articles.
If there is a hell for sinning liars and cheats then Al Gore will get that prize too along with the rest of his global warming financial comrades of wealth drooling over the passage of our cap and trade bill!
Alfred said it best in one of his replies, this is a tempest in a tea pot. Considering the outcome I can’t help but think the authors of the bill contacted manufacturers or looked at current specs to pass a draconian sounding bill of propaganda that doesn’t require any more efficiency than what is already being provided. Wow, what an empty result. As for the 2014 requirements I think they already know manufacturers will be able to meet that based on future designs being developed now. Another empty result to make the man made global warming religion feel good.
This legislation from the socialist republic of California is nothing more than political propaganda used primarily as precedence to perpetuate the religion of man made global warming. Progressive liberals get to pat themselves on the back, and along with the media and liberal politicians, wave this legislation in everybodies face as more proof that man made global warming must be true or all these smart people would not have voted for it.
The reality is this is nothing more than a power problem caused by the negligence of the California legislature of years past. Oh, I forgot, government is good and is never the cause of the problem regardless of the fact that our founding fathers knew government royally sucked and tried real hard to create a new government that would suck as little as possible. Here we are over 200 years later celebrating how big and awesome ours has become... Good grief...
I know who John Galt is and the rest of that story which parallels what is happening on this planet and in this country to a frightening level.
My heart felt thanks to all those who showed up to counter comrade Steve on the other articles.
If there is a hell for sinning liars and cheats then Al Gore will get that prize too along with the rest of his global warming financial comrades of wealth drooling over the passage of our cap and trade bill!
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BobDiaz
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OK, this is a bit off topic, but for those who like seeing Big Al put foot in mouth....
Gore: Polar ice may vanish in 5-7 years: Monday, December 14, 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091215/ap_ ... imate_gore
Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 (The climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast. “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 956783.ece
Gore: Polar ice may vanish in 5-7 years: Monday, December 14, 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091215/ap_ ... imate_gore
Inconvenient truth for Al Gore as his North Pole sums don't add up: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 (The climatologist whose work Mr Gore was relying upon dropped the former Vice-President in the water with an icy blast. “It’s unclear to me how this figure was arrived at,” Dr Maslowski said. “I would never try to estimate likelihood at anything as exact as this.”)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 956783.ece
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akirby
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So simple a 6th grader can figure it out (with a little excel help from Dad).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_G_-SdAN04
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tsteves
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Richard S. Lindzen also claims that lung cancer has only been weakly linked to smoking. He is widely thought of as a contrarian.
Youtube does not seem to be a valid Scientific community.
Yes, everyone knows Gore tweaked the numbers, that doesn't invalidate everything he said.
There is a scientific consensus that global climate change is real and man made. Yes there are skeptics and contrarians, some of them notable.
Who's Who on Inhofe's List of 400 Global Warming Deniers
Inhofe's "scientists" include economists, the retired, TV weathermen, mathematicians, amateurs and industry spokespeople:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmen ... s-46011008
No it has not been proven as scientific "fact", at least not nearly as much as evolution and gravity. So should we do nothing about it? Should we allow smoking in public areas because there are those scientists that don't think it has been 100% proven to cause lung cancer? Should we allow guns in schools because not everyone who has taken a gun to a school has shot someone?
And really? Calling Steve "comrade"? Is that intellectual discourse or childish name calling because you don't have the brains or the stones to look into the information that is contrary to your position and actually risk thinking about your position? Maybe it is not as bad as some of us think it could be. Are you willing to risk it? Or is it that you just don't care?
Youtube does not seem to be a valid Scientific community.
Yes, everyone knows Gore tweaked the numbers, that doesn't invalidate everything he said.
There is a scientific consensus that global climate change is real and man made. Yes there are skeptics and contrarians, some of them notable.
Who's Who on Inhofe's List of 400 Global Warming Deniers
Inhofe's "scientists" include economists, the retired, TV weathermen, mathematicians, amateurs and industry spokespeople:
http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmen ... s-46011008
No it has not been proven as scientific "fact", at least not nearly as much as evolution and gravity. So should we do nothing about it? Should we allow smoking in public areas because there are those scientists that don't think it has been 100% proven to cause lung cancer? Should we allow guns in schools because not everyone who has taken a gun to a school has shot someone?
And really? Calling Steve "comrade"? Is that intellectual discourse or childish name calling because you don't have the brains or the stones to look into the information that is contrary to your position and actually risk thinking about your position? Maybe it is not as bad as some of us think it could be. Are you willing to risk it? Or is it that you just don't care?
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stevekaden
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Thank you tsteves, at least there is one other thinking person willing to step forward.
For the rest of you, you and your similarly ignorant Americans sit and selfishly stew, as virtually the entire rest of the world is trying to work on this problem. You, for some inexplicable reason, continuously spew every single disproved suggestion over and over and over. I did not look at the links, I don't have to anymore, because ignorance and immature thinking just begets the same.
Look at the ice. There is really no more to consider if that is considered in its entirety. And it just does not matter if it purely man made CO2, but it is not nature, and it will kill the human species - if we don't do it all alone in our compulsive breeding to oblivion.
For the rest of you, you and your similarly ignorant Americans sit and selfishly stew, as virtually the entire rest of the world is trying to work on this problem. You, for some inexplicable reason, continuously spew every single disproved suggestion over and over and over. I did not look at the links, I don't have to anymore, because ignorance and immature thinking just begets the same.
Look at the ice. There is really no more to consider if that is considered in its entirety. And it just does not matter if it purely man made CO2, but it is not nature, and it will kill the human species - if we don't do it all alone in our compulsive breeding to oblivion.
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eliwhitney
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Morning ALL . . .
We're in danger of taking this very useful & productive HDTV Forum & sadly moving it into a rather pointless ".. Save-The-Planet / P.C. soap box ..", instead ?
.. Consider taking Vacation Trip of say .. a couple months visiting Greater China .. going from Beijing & it's not-visible Great Wall ... ending up eventually on the 1,200 mile Grand Canal / Yangtze River & even Hong Kong ... we did / have.
This Nation already IS by far the greatest polluter on Planet Earth, currently digging out & burning well over 50% of all the coal used today & dumping everything / anything straight into their waterways, totally w/o treatment.
And, it fully-plans to increase this level or % far more in the next decade, w/o any worries whatever as to .. what .. the consequence might be.
Forget what meager effects the entire remainder of the civilized population may or may not attempt .... it will not matter one iota compared to the bleak devastation caused from China's current activity and planned actions!
Just .. relax .. and enjoy what there is left / available NOW - - - certainly, including our 58" - 60" + plasma sets!
eli
We're in danger of taking this very useful & productive HDTV Forum & sadly moving it into a rather pointless ".. Save-The-Planet / P.C. soap box ..", instead ?
.. Consider taking Vacation Trip of say .. a couple months visiting Greater China .. going from Beijing & it's not-visible Great Wall ... ending up eventually on the 1,200 mile Grand Canal / Yangtze River & even Hong Kong ... we did / have.
This Nation already IS by far the greatest polluter on Planet Earth, currently digging out & burning well over 50% of all the coal used today & dumping everything / anything straight into their waterways, totally w/o treatment.
And, it fully-plans to increase this level or % far more in the next decade, w/o any worries whatever as to .. what .. the consequence might be.
Forget what meager effects the entire remainder of the civilized population may or may not attempt .... it will not matter one iota compared to the bleak devastation caused from China's current activity and planned actions!
Just .. relax .. and enjoy what there is left / available NOW - - - certainly, including our 58" - 60" + plasma sets!
eli