Consumer Electronics Association Reacts to California Energy Commission TV Energy Use Mandates

[Shane]

The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA)® today issued the following statement regarding a decision by the California Energy Commission (CEC) to impose unprecedented and unnecessary energy efficiency standards on television sets sold in California. The following statement may be attributed to Jason Oxman, CEA’s senior vice president of Industry Affairs.

“CEA is extremely disappointed in the CEC’s decision to regulate...

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[regman]

Sh*t like this makes me embarassed to say I was born here. Next thing you know the butt heads will have us on bicycles attached to generators to watch TV. Tree hugging liberal idiots.

[stevekaden]

regman - Sheesh, you'd think someone kicked your dog (for political reasons no less).

It always astounds me that while any thinking person would understand the myriad problems with energy consumption, there is nothing ever that should be done to fix it. (and of course taking the Libertarian-Reagan view - certainly nothing that's not a free ride for business and all that trickle down fraud).

I am a 60" plasma guy, so this does concern me - I seriously doubt plasma will be able to make the grade, but ALWAYS industry and technology will gravitate to the money and the market. OLED or similar maybe?

And just maybe this will help us breath a tiny bit cleaner air, a bit less mercury from yet another coal plant (or similar for every technology). And yeah, I believe in man made global warming - just maybe this will help a bit.

I was in California in the early to mid 60's - and I have seen/breathed the air of the inversions. It was hell - almost a vision of apocalypic sci-fi. And California forced cleaner cars down everyones throat, and we were ALL better for it. (and I seem to remember a lot of whining then also).

So at least for one "Tree hugging liberal idiot", your, uh, arguments don't fly.

[portkins]

Hope this doesn't turn into a political debate but...

So you have a 60 inch plasma. I imagine you will be giving it up. Oh, no?
Not surprised.
I live in MA. Lots of do-gooders think taxes should be increased. After a referendum vote, it is now listed on every state tax return that you can give extra money to the state. It doesn't happen. No one gives extra.

As I alway say liberals feel. Conservatives think. Just try to stop and look at your comment. You are NOW a 60 inch plasma guy. The heck with the next guy who wants one. You have yours. Let the next guy suffer.

Unfortunately logic doesn't work with you and you will start name calling.

[stevekaden]

Funny, I have now and always 'discussed' as compared to your assumptive insults. And then you play the "conservative" Hegelian didactic of prempting discourse by insulting it. So you think. Do you think you know me or my depth of civic pride?

[regman]

Well, I'm a 58" plasma guy and this IS a political topic. 1/2 the year I need no heat in my detached home theater (the plasma 783W does a fine job as a space heater) - the other 1/2, I open the celestory windows and have convection cooling. I have a high efficiency heat pump when (rarely) needed. I mainly only use it for movies anyway.

The Federal Republik of Kalifornia is looking for all of the money it can get. They're jacking up the "fees" for virtually everything - but they don't have the guts to call it a tax increase. The terminator turned out to be a girly girl. With all of our manufacturing being outsourced off shore where did all that energy go? This year the PG&E jacked up the electric rates 17%. Only Hawaii has higher gasoline prices. Our state legislature, mostly democrat, has a spend mentality and unfortunately the fed is following Kalifornia's lead into oblivion. They always do...

I'm using less electricity now then before I bought the plasma.

You must have lived in the southland since, in the Bay Area, we have about 2 "spare the air" days a year,

[regman]

"governmental social engineering" now there's a concept. Glenn Beck is looking more like the soothsayer of the progressive movement all the time. If we're going to turn into a third world country it would all make sense wouldn't it. Now we have "smart meters" that supposedly can even determine how much power consumption your refrigerator is using or maybe even your 60" plasma.

When they start disarming us the circle will be complete and you can bet that it is coming to a state near you. So much for the Constitution...

I wasn't on board with Bush either just for the record.

I hope that you are not refering to me as insulting you as I believe in the free exchange of ideas, that the debate should remain healthy and civil.

[stevekaden]

regman, no it was not you I referred to about insults - and despite my liberal instincts, and childlike impulse control, I hope to not insult you.

BUT, I would love to see some compartmentalization of the true context and real constitutional law, from the wandering that your posts are taking.

This rulling is a frustration that I too will face when my plasmas dies or have to go due to my next passion. So I expect to feel the pain, and while I am not inclined to trash my present hardware (they are calibrated to use less power) I expect to guide my many family and friends to make good choices - like LED LCDs.

Without trying to a thesis I am ill prepared to do smartly - I do not see where 'the common welfare', or the 'will of the people' is being violated by this or many other annoying, painful, or intrusive rules. After all our government wells up from the people, and the courts tend to balance some of the excess. And this has nothing to do with disarming us or taking our rights away. Freedom isn't - except for the monopolists and criminal. The rest of us have guidelines.

I can see your point, but I have long bought into some limits to my actions to support the survival of our society. For example the right to be a bigot is clearly free speech, yet we are not allowed to be so in any governmental realm, most all business realms, and certainly can't be practically. That would be much closer to a constitutional issue - yet most all of us belive it is an acceptable compromise for the societal good.

The big kahuna is global warming - and limits to what we can do to repair. I personally feel we have passed the trip points and it is no longer possible for the bulk of humans to survive. (both permafrost melt and population being the keys for me). But, I have kids, have a view of society and believe we have to try.


Anyway, enough wanderings from me....let's get down to brass tacks. Industry will inovate, and Glenn Beck is a cheap whore who has no bond with American values vis-a-vis a viable society. He is a salesman for a do-nothing movement (at all cost).

[regman]

We have lost more freedom in the last nine years since the writing of the Constitution. When gov't has control over the internet, banking industry, autos, medical records, housing, TV content, the unions, your freedom will be toast. Frankly the science that I have read doesn't support that global warming is a man made event but even if it was the pollution in China is reaching the continental United States. I lived in Shezhen for 3 weeks a few years ago and it was so badly polluted it was unbeleivable. You could cut it with a knife. I don't hear about the Europeans complaining that our pollution is reaching them. Besides one big vocanic eruption can dwarf anything that man can make in one event.

There is so much double speak as well. PG&E will subsidize an "Energy Star' water heater but won't rebate an on demand water heater. They're decommisioning hydroelectric plants all the time and charging us to do it. The fact that nuclear power plants have been suppressed for decades is shameful.

Did you hear that Kalifornia now limts sales of ammo to 50 rounds a week and photo ID and thumprint will be required? They have also banned internet sales and local shops are expensive and few and far inbetween. I always suspected that the dems would persue gun control through the back door.

We do need to be better stewards of the planet, I think that we all agree with that, but this cap & trade shell game is going to be a costly farce. I can't recall when we had a government so full of corrupt people, tax cheats, philanderers, extremists, etc. Compartmentalized evil is one way to look at it. Personally , I think they should fire the whole damn government and start from scratch. Recall 'em all!

Banning 60" plasmas, especially in this economy, is right up there with the ban on .50 caliber long guns, barring the cost of both (they cost about the same - a Barrett .50 cal is around 6K +, few people have access anyway so it's just more political grandstanding without addressing the real issues. This is becoming more and more the paradigm of modern government.

[portkins]

We used to be under a mile of ice in New England. It melted long before my Hummer was around. Then there was a mini ice age in Europe that wreaked havoc. Why do "earthers" who believe so much in mother earth not believe she will cycle. It will get warmer. It will get colder. Al Gore will get richer. 100 million isn't enough for this scam he has perpetrated.
Why has it gotten colder these last 10 years.
What I love is the story of my child's schoolmate. The kid was talking a while ago about how cold it was. My guy said yeah global warming huh?. The boy has been trained well. "Yes" he said. "Global warming makes it colder"
That is why they now use climate change. It is like number of jobs saved. Can't be quantified.
No insults? what did you say about Glen Beck?
One last typical liberal story. I was in a discussion about Clinton while he was "head" of the country. A gentleman said how we need new taxes to give more money to the poor. We were discussing finances at the time. When I asked where he had his investments he emphatically said municipal bonds. Didn't bat an eyelash. (zero taxes get it)

When I told my sons (elementary school) about the large screen law they immediately said why don't they go to another state to buy them then. LOGIC. so they will just need a new law to outlaw them in the house. When that law is broken they will need to outlaw the next thing.

Regman. You are fightng a losing battle. keep quiet. you will be marked as a radical.

Who is John Galt?