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Samsung BDP1000 - Bluray having a very rough start...

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To update some lost posts...

The new Samsung BDP1000 bluray player is having problems meeting up to it's HD+ pedigree. At $1000, twice the price of the Toshiba HD DVD player, it has even more problems with imaging. While it is true that the Toshiba HD DVD player has it's problems it has tested quite well in comparison, performs well for SD DVD upsacling provided the display is HDMI and for HD DVD works with either HDMI to HDMI or analog component if you have DVI or no digital connection at all.

Stacey Spears tests both players
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ge=4&pp=30

this recent article from Projector central covers what is commonly being reported...
HD-DVD is currently well-positioned to take the lion's share of the market for one very simple reason: HD-DVD offers a much better value proposition to the consumer. That value proposition comes in the form of three formidable advantages: (1) At this writing, HD-DVD image quality is clearly superior to Blu-ray, (2) HD-DVD player prices are half those of Blu-ray, and (3) HD-DVD has twice as many movie titles on the market as Blu-ray, and that ratio will hold through the end of this critical launch year.
Part of the reason for Blu-ray's present lackluster image quality may be attributed to a strange confluence of unfortunate events. First, they have not yet been able to successfully mass-produce dual-layer Blu-ray discs. That means the storage capacity on the first releases is limited to 25 GB rather than the 50 GB available with the dual-layer structure. Second, someone decided to use MPEG-2 on these initial releases. It appears that 25 GB is not sufficient storage space for high quality video at 1080p/24 resolution when compressed via MPEG-2. Somewhere along the line vital video information is not making it onto the Blu-ray discs, and it is visible on the screen.
For these reasons, we enthusiastically endorse HD-DVD. If Blu-ray can ever demonstrate that it is able to deliver similar quality at similar prices, or even better quality at a premium price, we will be happy to endorse Blu-ray as well. But based on the less than stellar performance of Blu-ray coming out of the starting gates, it is difficult to see how it can survive.
And for those of you wondering about the importance of 1080P there is more to put the importance of that in perspective. Beyond bypassing the internal scaler the benefits are marginal if likely non-existent since the full benefit would come with a 1080P24 mastering and output and a display that does 1080P24 (24 is the frame rate).

Blu-ray: Can it Survive?
http://www.projectorcentral.com/blu-ray_2.htm
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Can Blu-Ray Survive???

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Can Blu-Ray Survive???

(I personally don't think so)... :|
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Finally had a hands on experience due to an ISF calibration...

On the HD side it is decent and if you don't know any better you will likely be satisfied. In this case the client also had an HD DVD player, HDAX1, and no matter what title we put in the Samsung was always clearly in second. This test did reflect the most current firmware from Samsung.

On the SD side this player was terrible with vertical and horizontal edge enhancement galore, artifacts in the red colors having detail, and oddly enough a centering problem when set for 1080P that pushed the screen to the right about 50-100 pixels.

Due to the above the Samsung is being used for Bluray HD disc only for this application and will likely be replcaed within the next 2 months. The Toshiba blows it away for SD scaling.

Bottom line - look for the Pioneer and Sony models coming out or already in the stores.
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New info!!!

The 1080P output of this player is NOT what you may think or assume...

The decoder within the player cannot output digital 1080P so it is taking the native 1080P from the disc, processing it and spitting it out 1080I which then goes to a scaler to deinterlace it back to 1080P which is what comes out of the player. This additional processing can't be good for the image and it is possible your 1080P display may do a better job of scaling 1080I from the decoder then the player.
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