Upscaling DVD Players And Worthy Displays

chuckken · Post by **chuckken** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 11:46 am

After testing some units lately I felt compelled to post this thread in regards to upscaling DVD players. I've found that if the display is not a very good one you will not see much difference...however, if you own a "worthy" display (usually, $3000.00 or up range)...then the comparison between the two becomes much more enhanced...I have noted a few threads where folks have posted that they don't see much of a difference when viewing an upscaled dvd player (verses progressive)...Well, I need to say that in my case, even moving up to Cinema Series from Theaterview in the Toshiba line marked a very noticable difference. My 2 Toshibas were both the same scan rate, but the resulting picture quality through HDMI on the upscalable dvd player was much improved viewed on a better quality display...(ie Black levels, color saturation, possibly due to upgraded crts, etc)

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:53 pm

I don't recall you having either of them calibrated so your response is not surprising in addition to the fact that you are likely making your judgments based on what you think looks good rather than based on what is faithful to the original opening you up to all kinds of mis-perceptions.

I'll be the first to tell you if you don't want it calibrated then go with the what ever you are doing that your eyes seem to like. Bear in mind that will also make your comments concerning performance and quality naturally suspect.

chuckken · Post by **chuckken** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:55 pm

It sounds like you are saying all displays are the same...That you just need to calibrate them...(I don't agree)...I have calibrated the displays myself to my and my wifes liking..."but"...The better set still out performs the other after all calibrations have been made.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 2:58 pm

I've found that if the display is not a very good one you will not see much difference...however, if you own a "worthy" display (usually, $3000.00 or up range)...

The answer to your anecdotal outcome is defintely a no. Price NEVER infers accuracy and will only elude the searching videophile. If you want to know what displays will calibrate correctly and also work in your viewing environment then contacting your local ISF calibrator for product selection service is your best bet.

Chuckken, if you really want to know what is going on with your displays and why then you will need to hire a calibrator. While your anecdotal conclusions may seem logical reality does not agree.

check this link...
http://www.ilovehdtv.com/hdlibrary/viewtopic.php?t=1222

akirby · Post by **akirby** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:16 am

Chuckken - what is a great picture to your eye could be totally unwatchable to someone else. If you like your display the way it is that's perfectly fine - nobody will argue with that. The problem is you take your 100% subjective opinions about picture quality and make objective statements (this display is better than that display, DVI is better than component, Toshiba is better than everything else, etc.).

alice · Post by **alice** » Tue Nov 16, 2004 1:32 pm

While I am in full agreement that inexpensive displays are not the best choice for HD, we must agree to disagree on Calibration. I have personally never seen a set calibrated by eye that would best a professionally calibrated set in my 34 yrs of a/v obession & being in the bus.

Having met Joe Kane and seen his work on displays, ISF standards are the minimum for me .

As long as you are happy with the picture quality of the set, that's fine.

HiDeffjeff · Post by **HiDeffjeff** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 7:33 pm

Chucken FYI you are correct in saying that it makes a difference in which display you use. I just bought the new panny dvd player which upscales to 1080i and On my Sony display I noticed a major improvement over progressive scan. and on my less expensive Panny Display you can't tell much difference at all. The Sony looks very close to true hd quality and on the Panny I can barely tell any difference.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Sun Nov 21, 2004 10:41 pm

What models are they and age?

HiDeffjeff · Post by **HiDeffjeff** » Mon Nov 22, 2004 7:52 pm

Richard wrote:What models are they and age?

Richard,

They are less than a year old, and these are the models,

Sony KDP57WS655

Panny PT47X54

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Tue Nov 23, 2004 11:08 am

There are numerous reasons why you would have this experience and they are not directly related to price.

With CRT RPTV size matters. I have always recommended 60" or larger if possible. I just did a Sony 57" and it was pretty cool. There are some light scatter problems especially with the plastic housing or light box area and with duvetyne you can get that toned down but you are dealing with physics which means the screen, mirror and CRTs are closer together. Size matters. Another issue with size is perception and many professionals as of late are promoting much larger mastering displays then currently used because again, size matters as it allows you to get closer than you should so you can see picture and pixel structure which is also related to beam spot size being more evident. As an example I have seen my 65" identical chassis in a 55" and 48" box and it just is not the same. You need that space to reduce the effects of light scatter even with duvetyne. The light scatter is caused by the back reflection of the fresnel screen. You can take the screen of your display and the box will appear to have little light but put the screen on its side so half of the box is covered and half open and you will see that baby light right up (By the way don

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