So you want to petition Warner and let them know you still want HD-DVD.........and you've got 12,000 signatures..................really?
What are you guys thinking?!!
How many HD DVD...
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Another Opinion - On the Matter of the HD DVD Petition...
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terrypaullin
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Bob Diaz
It's a good thing you are NOT a Warner Exec, because you are expecting a 100% response rate. When in the real world does that ever happen???Doesn't matter the number, if it were 1,000,000 and I'm a Warner Exec, I would EXPECT 1,000,000 names on the petition and not one less.
OK, so the chances of the Petition changing Warner's position are next to nothing; still the consumer should have the right to express their feelings to the company. ... OR is it a case of trying to say, freedom of expression shouldn't be allowed. Too many big businesses operate in a vacuum as if the customer doesn't matter, so customer feedback IS important.
Bob Diaz
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pmalter0
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Wrong, Mr. Paullin, I've been petitioning for consumer justice most successfully for 40 years (although I do agree with you that Warner is not the party to be petitioned). BTW, assuming someone successfully petitions the court to require the studios to license movies in both formats, why do you think that would be inferior to having Blue Ray only?Petition for Consumer Justice...a quaint idea, but very, very naive
Phil
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beatdrum
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Its currently $129 at Costco, with five free HD DVDs. That also includes an HDMI cable, which effectively matches the previous $98 deal of several months ago. Its a no brainer to buy if you would benefit even with only a quality upconversion DVD player. I purchased one several months ago and feel way ahead of the game. I received my five free DVDs yesterday. If I never buy another HD DVD, I have paid a ridiculously low price for some very high quality goodies. I don't have a problem with buying a Blue Ray player down the road, if that is the only format available. What is wrong with stacking these two different formated players on top of each other. Both are relatively small components. There is nothing incompatible about using two different formats to reproduce movies. I still use (on a regular basis) in addition to CDs, a turntable, cassette deck, and a reel to reel tape deck to reproduce audio. Each of these components has its own strengths and weaknesses.
Regarding the original petition, I mentioned the following in another forum:
Petitions via email are not effective. A friend who is a computer expert received the following directly from a system administrator for a corporate system. It is an excellent message that recommends to NOT forward petitions!
He states: "Have you ever gotten an email that is a petition? It states a position
and asks you to add your name and address and to forward it to 10 or 15
people or your entire address book. The email can be forwarded on and on and
can collect thousands of names and email addresses.
A FACT: The completed petition is actually worth a couple of bucks to a
professional spammer because of the wealth of valid names and email
addresses contained therein. If you want to support the petition, send it as
your own personal letter to the intended recipient. Your position may carry
more weight as a personal letter than a laundry list of names and email
address on a petition. (Actually, if you think about it, who's supposed to
send the petition in to whatever cause it supports? No one. And don't
believe the ones that say that the email is being traced, it just ain't so!)
Besides:
ANOTHER FACT: Government entities, from the White House on down, DO NOT
accept emails as any semblance of a valid petition."
The above appears to make a lot of sense. As such, I won't be signing the HD petition, although I am enjoying and supporting HD DVD.
Regarding the original petition, I mentioned the following in another forum:
Petitions via email are not effective. A friend who is a computer expert received the following directly from a system administrator for a corporate system. It is an excellent message that recommends to NOT forward petitions!
He states: "Have you ever gotten an email that is a petition? It states a position
and asks you to add your name and address and to forward it to 10 or 15
people or your entire address book. The email can be forwarded on and on and
can collect thousands of names and email addresses.
A FACT: The completed petition is actually worth a couple of bucks to a
professional spammer because of the wealth of valid names and email
addresses contained therein. If you want to support the petition, send it as
your own personal letter to the intended recipient. Your position may carry
more weight as a personal letter than a laundry list of names and email
address on a petition. (Actually, if you think about it, who's supposed to
send the petition in to whatever cause it supports? No one. And don't
believe the ones that say that the email is being traced, it just ain't so!)
Besides:
ANOTHER FACT: Government entities, from the White House on down, DO NOT
accept emails as any semblance of a valid petition."
The above appears to make a lot of sense. As such, I won't be signing the HD petition, although I am enjoying and supporting HD DVD.
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miller
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First, for anyone looking for a link the the petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/privacy-pets.html
A quick look and check of this policy quickly alleviated any concerns I might have had.
http://www.petitiononline.com/petition_FAQ.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic ... mmerce_Act
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http://www.petitiononline.com/SAVEHDD/petition.html
A valid concern. Always check out the privacy policy on these websites in addition to a quick Google search to verify their legitimacy. Here is a link to the privacy statement for the site in question:beatdrum wrote:He states: "Have you ever gotten an email that is a petition? It states a position and asks you to add your name and address and to forward it to 10 or 15 people or your entire address book. The email can be forwarded on and on and can collect thousands of names and email addresses.
http://www.petitiononline.com/privacy-pets.html
A quick look and check of this policy quickly alleviated any concerns I might have had.
You might want to brush up on your "facts":beatdrum wrote:ANOTHER FACT: Government entities, from the White House on down, DO NOT accept emails as any semblance of a valid petition."
http://www.petitiononline.com/petition_FAQ.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic ... mmerce_Act
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terrypaullin
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Jordanm,
It's hard for anyone else to say what the "right" value proposition is for YOU. Turns out there are about 1,000 titles out there currently, some of which are foreign, documentarys and concert videos. Still, there are 7 or 800 "normal" movies. Just know that someday (soon, I expect) the lights will go out completely on HD-DVD. Assuming you will want to continue the magic of high definition optical disc, you will have to buy a BD player. You will then be left with a "spare" that is good for archived HD-DVDs and up-converting NTSC discs. The real question is, of all the HD-DVDs that are available, how many do you really want to own/rent. If the number is small, perhaps your $250 is better spent as a headstart toward a BD player.
It's hard for anyone else to say what the "right" value proposition is for YOU. Turns out there are about 1,000 titles out there currently, some of which are foreign, documentarys and concert videos. Still, there are 7 or 800 "normal" movies. Just know that someday (soon, I expect) the lights will go out completely on HD-DVD. Assuming you will want to continue the magic of high definition optical disc, you will have to buy a BD player. You will then be left with a "spare" that is good for archived HD-DVDs and up-converting NTSC discs. The real question is, of all the HD-DVDs that are available, how many do you really want to own/rent. If the number is small, perhaps your $250 is better spent as a headstart toward a BD player.
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terrypaullin
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HD-DVD petition
Bob,
Of course you never get 100% on a petition. You took me too literally. I only meant to say that no one at Warner (or Sony) expects any HD-DVD owner to be happy with this situation. That said, there's no turning back. They got what they want and 1,000,000 of us are stuck with the debris (remember Divx). I couldn't agree more that many big businesses attempt to operate in a vacuum, though these businesses eventually fade away. An immutable law of business is that they must sell products that people want to buy. Warner and Sony have already calculated that although they may have pissed off 1,000,000 people, those same people won't swear off HD optical discs just to get even. The few that might are easily replaced with "fence-sitters" who will now get in the game since the future is (now) clear. If it makes you feel better, by all means, sign the petition. It may serve as an excellent blood pressure reduction aid.
Of course you never get 100% on a petition. You took me too literally. I only meant to say that no one at Warner (or Sony) expects any HD-DVD owner to be happy with this situation. That said, there's no turning back. They got what they want and 1,000,000 of us are stuck with the debris (remember Divx). I couldn't agree more that many big businesses attempt to operate in a vacuum, though these businesses eventually fade away. An immutable law of business is that they must sell products that people want to buy. Warner and Sony have already calculated that although they may have pissed off 1,000,000 people, those same people won't swear off HD optical discs just to get even. The few that might are easily replaced with "fence-sitters" who will now get in the game since the future is (now) clear. If it makes you feel better, by all means, sign the petition. It may serve as an excellent blood pressure reduction aid.